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economy and getting a growth agenda going is clearly what's going to be most important across the board for americans. but he's got some wind at his back. because the republicans know that number one, immigration is an issue they can't ignore and vilify anymore, they've got to deal with it, guns is another one. they're mired in a tactic on plunging this country into default and starting to come to their senses and realize this debt ceiling is a tactic that is really turning its head against them not against the president. so i think that you're always going to see the president making the effort to reach out. and spending, he's actually done that already. and that's where he's going to have to work with democrats as well as republicans. >> well, you supported both abolishing the debt limit and having the president use the 14th amendment. i'm wondering how you see the debt ceiling play out. >> well, i'm seeing the republicans starting to cave on that. they're hearing from the -- the president has made it clear he's not going to play that game. and if we mess with the debt ceiling and hav
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